Accounting for ESL perhaps this is terribly edited for an editors post. More importantly, it does not address the other side of our new information world: the state does need to keep secrets; it does need to do some surveillance, and it does protect us, which all of my allies on the Left seem blindly unaware of, more focused on moral sins such as Operation Condor etc than what the state indeed does for us all.
I am a bit confused about how to respond to this. ESL is not the correct way to understand how educated Indians come into English. Hindi is the lingua franca across northern India, but not across the entire country. English tends to be that bridge. Many Indians are entirely educated in English. I have looked over the article just now and cannot for the life of me find what you mean. Feel free to drop us a line. As for state secrets, it is the left that is pushing surveillance culture and state secrets, not the right. This is why there is such a political flip-flop currently in the US.
English is most Indians second language, although for many it is their first. Its just not very well written. But that was admittedly pedantic and besides the point of the piece.
I'm not sure of your point tbh. The left and right don't really do one thing or another, except at the extremes. Different liberals and conservatives do things differently, in their own interest, as they have for centuries. Are you saying liberals want more surveillance?
Surely conservatives want more in their neighborhoods/cities no? Those on the far left from what I can see seemingly to want to stop surveilling China/Russia etc, for which they will probably be very sorry. Excess idealism towards these states is likely to be punished.
Most Indians are not writers. The writer is one of many educated Indians and they are educated in English and represent the second highest population of English speakers on the planet. Your attempt to insult the writer's English is unwarranted. You claim not to see my point but it is quite the inverse. Criticising a writer's piece based on your misperceptions of Indians who were educated is what is beside the point. It's hard to follow your points here. Yes, liberals are and have been pushing for surveillance since 20 years now.
I'm sorry my feeling it wasn't clearly written upset you, and all of India apparently. I am in an LTR with an Indian. I have as much respect for that culture as anyone. Writing wasn't clear.
Again, far more to the point: conservatives like to push surveillance through the state to ensure conformity, often through the police, govt agencies or military. That hasn't changed. Liberals barely ever wish to push surveillance through the state, they wish for the state to help the less fortunate typically, and they perhaps wish to censor/surveille non-woke views too much, sure, but, otherwise not sure what you mean.
As much as anyone can generalize about libs or cons, that hasn't changed in 20 years.
It’s not about being upset. It’s about facts. You haven’t the facts to back up your arguments. I have over 300 family members in India most of whom have been educated in English, many of women are published writers and journalists. You claim to have “respect” for Indian culture while knowing nothing about it or the basis of its education. As for you notions of surveillance, the right has been pushing back against the surveillance and left ushering it forth. The recent congressional interventions over the Twitter files are one of myriad examples.
Accounting for ESL perhaps this is terribly edited for an editors post. More importantly, it does not address the other side of our new information world: the state does need to keep secrets; it does need to do some surveillance, and it does protect us, which all of my allies on the Left seem blindly unaware of, more focused on moral sins such as Operation Condor etc than what the state indeed does for us all.
I am a bit confused about how to respond to this. ESL is not the correct way to understand how educated Indians come into English. Hindi is the lingua franca across northern India, but not across the entire country. English tends to be that bridge. Many Indians are entirely educated in English. I have looked over the article just now and cannot for the life of me find what you mean. Feel free to drop us a line. As for state secrets, it is the left that is pushing surveillance culture and state secrets, not the right. This is why there is such a political flip-flop currently in the US.
English is most Indians second language, although for many it is their first. Its just not very well written. But that was admittedly pedantic and besides the point of the piece.
I'm not sure of your point tbh. The left and right don't really do one thing or another, except at the extremes. Different liberals and conservatives do things differently, in their own interest, as they have for centuries. Are you saying liberals want more surveillance?
Surely conservatives want more in their neighborhoods/cities no? Those on the far left from what I can see seemingly to want to stop surveilling China/Russia etc, for which they will probably be very sorry. Excess idealism towards these states is likely to be punished.
Thanks for your reply.
Most Indians are not writers. The writer is one of many educated Indians and they are educated in English and represent the second highest population of English speakers on the planet. Your attempt to insult the writer's English is unwarranted. You claim not to see my point but it is quite the inverse. Criticising a writer's piece based on your misperceptions of Indians who were educated is what is beside the point. It's hard to follow your points here. Yes, liberals are and have been pushing for surveillance since 20 years now.
I'm sorry my feeling it wasn't clearly written upset you, and all of India apparently. I am in an LTR with an Indian. I have as much respect for that culture as anyone. Writing wasn't clear.
Again, far more to the point: conservatives like to push surveillance through the state to ensure conformity, often through the police, govt agencies or military. That hasn't changed. Liberals barely ever wish to push surveillance through the state, they wish for the state to help the less fortunate typically, and they perhaps wish to censor/surveille non-woke views too much, sure, but, otherwise not sure what you mean.
As much as anyone can generalize about libs or cons, that hasn't changed in 20 years.
It’s not about being upset. It’s about facts. You haven’t the facts to back up your arguments. I have over 300 family members in India most of whom have been educated in English, many of women are published writers and journalists. You claim to have “respect” for Indian culture while knowing nothing about it or the basis of its education. As for you notions of surveillance, the right has been pushing back against the surveillance and left ushering it forth. The recent congressional interventions over the Twitter files are one of myriad examples.
Enjoy your Modi authoritarian dreams buddy. Byeee.