We've had a short 70 years of an idealist, hopeful, dreamy UN based human rights system in which we should follow new rules of war and treatment of refugees. We must keep at it, as this piece suggests.
However, we have millennia of evolutionary wiring to retaliate. Israeli Jews have 2000 years of suffering and injust attacks, from Christians and Muslims.
Palestine has never been a state. Probably never will now. This small group of maniacs has brought out the roaring lion in all states/humans. No state with an arsenal would accept this Oct 6 attack without punishment. Its terrible what is happening to innocent Palestinians (although how many are? how many secretly or openly agree with Hamfistass?), its terrible, but its simply terrible being Palestinian.
Best option in the real world is give up. Join the Israeli state and grow up as a Muslim in that state. Just like millions of Indians, Muslims and Asians in the US/Europe, you will be better off than you were.
"Best option in the real world is give up. Join the Israeli state and grow up as a Muslim in that state."
You haven't really grasped the essence of the problem. They are not going to get the opportunity to do that because they are not going to be invited to join the Israeli state. That would be the end of the Jewish state as a Jewish state if Israel did that. The crux of the problem is the demographics. There are nearly as many Palestinian Arabs as Israeli Jews, but only between a quarter and a third of the Arabs have Israeli citizenship. Should an Arab majority get voted into power one day then they would insist on the right of Return for descendents of Palestinian refugees on a like basis with the right of Return for Diaspora Jews. This is what terrifies Israeli governments more than anything else. That's why they retreated from occupation of Gaza because that meant nearly 2 million Palestinian Arabs fewer who could potentially demand enfranchisement in case of annexation of Palestinian land. If there were only 200,000 Palestinians living in the West Bank then Israel would annexe the West Bank tomorrow. So they are in a dilemma. They want the land but they don't want the people on the land. It is not the fault of the Palestinians that Israel is in this dilemma. Israel has made the dilemma for itself, and was warned by its own generals and intellectuals against settling the West Bank only days after winning the six day war for that very reason. The problem is theirs and theirs alone. They cannot continue indefinitely occupying someone else's land and denying its inhabitants fundamental civic rights, and still expect the rest of the world to accept them as a legitimate member of the free and democratic community of nations. They must either take the plunge, annexe the West Bank and give the inhabitants citizen rights, or they must abandon the West Bank and enable Palestinians to create their own state there. THe problem isn't magically going to disappear by ignoring it.
None of us know the future. They might possibly be granted citizenship, if they weren't represented my murderous Incel Islamists.
Demographics indeed are terrible. Having too many children when poor and uneducated is generally not a good strategy. Whose fault is that?
Its not an 'occupation.' Its far more complex than that. The very notion of an occupation anywhere is debatable depending on the date one picks to choose ones history/politics. Jews were there 2000 years ago. (Seems POC worldwide think they are always occupied, but don't look at their own histories. Its tied into regional power politics, as every chunk of land on earth is.)
If the second of your two options arose, Palestine would still be an impoverished, weak, desperate state. The first is the solution. Achieving that is only harder now because of the terrorism of Hamas. (Israel is clearly a "legitimate member of the free and democratic community of nations" already. Hamas isn't. And won't be)
We've had a short 70 years of an idealist, hopeful, dreamy UN based human rights system in which we should follow new rules of war and treatment of refugees. We must keep at it, as this piece suggests.
However, we have millennia of evolutionary wiring to retaliate. Israeli Jews have 2000 years of suffering and injust attacks, from Christians and Muslims.
Palestine has never been a state. Probably never will now. This small group of maniacs has brought out the roaring lion in all states/humans. No state with an arsenal would accept this Oct 6 attack without punishment. Its terrible what is happening to innocent Palestinians (although how many are? how many secretly or openly agree with Hamfistass?), its terrible, but its simply terrible being Palestinian.
Best option in the real world is give up. Join the Israeli state and grow up as a Muslim in that state. Just like millions of Indians, Muslims and Asians in the US/Europe, you will be better off than you were.
"Best option in the real world is give up. Join the Israeli state and grow up as a Muslim in that state."
You haven't really grasped the essence of the problem. They are not going to get the opportunity to do that because they are not going to be invited to join the Israeli state. That would be the end of the Jewish state as a Jewish state if Israel did that. The crux of the problem is the demographics. There are nearly as many Palestinian Arabs as Israeli Jews, but only between a quarter and a third of the Arabs have Israeli citizenship. Should an Arab majority get voted into power one day then they would insist on the right of Return for descendents of Palestinian refugees on a like basis with the right of Return for Diaspora Jews. This is what terrifies Israeli governments more than anything else. That's why they retreated from occupation of Gaza because that meant nearly 2 million Palestinian Arabs fewer who could potentially demand enfranchisement in case of annexation of Palestinian land. If there were only 200,000 Palestinians living in the West Bank then Israel would annexe the West Bank tomorrow. So they are in a dilemma. They want the land but they don't want the people on the land. It is not the fault of the Palestinians that Israel is in this dilemma. Israel has made the dilemma for itself, and was warned by its own generals and intellectuals against settling the West Bank only days after winning the six day war for that very reason. The problem is theirs and theirs alone. They cannot continue indefinitely occupying someone else's land and denying its inhabitants fundamental civic rights, and still expect the rest of the world to accept them as a legitimate member of the free and democratic community of nations. They must either take the plunge, annexe the West Bank and give the inhabitants citizen rights, or they must abandon the West Bank and enable Palestinians to create their own state there. THe problem isn't magically going to disappear by ignoring it.
None of us know the future. They might possibly be granted citizenship, if they weren't represented my murderous Incel Islamists.
Demographics indeed are terrible. Having too many children when poor and uneducated is generally not a good strategy. Whose fault is that?
Its not an 'occupation.' Its far more complex than that. The very notion of an occupation anywhere is debatable depending on the date one picks to choose ones history/politics. Jews were there 2000 years ago. (Seems POC worldwide think they are always occupied, but don't look at their own histories. Its tied into regional power politics, as every chunk of land on earth is.)
If the second of your two options arose, Palestine would still be an impoverished, weak, desperate state. The first is the solution. Achieving that is only harder now because of the terrorism of Hamas. (Israel is clearly a "legitimate member of the free and democratic community of nations" already. Hamas isn't. And won't be)